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March 14, 2007

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Joseph Hiddink

The power/propulsion system as used by the Flying Saucer, which I discovered and patented is the only way we can have real space travel. Of course Nasa Propulsion Engineers do not like it. They would be obsolete if we can fly to the Moon in one hour or Mars in a day, no matter where they are located at the time.
All that without barfbags and osteoporosis.
The system of free energy that a Flying Saucer uses can also be applied to free energy like Tesla used for his electric Pierce-Arrow car in 1931. It can also be used to give homes free power, non-polluting. Other applications are e.g. Floating or Flying Cars, Electric Aicraft of the VTOL type. Offered to Canada as a Birthday Present in 1967, it was soundly rebuked and ridiculed by the Canadian National Research Council, the Scientific Arm of the Canadian Government, up to four months after patents were granted. Then, as they realized that they had "lost face", they decided to keep on denying and poohooing the invention. They did and do.
I offered one application to the Penny-wise USA DOD but they refused to pay me my fee when they waited till the patent had lapsed.
For only one Billion (that is just the cost of a few rocket-engines) I could build a spacecraft as big as a footballfield, crewed with a company like we have in a Naval Cruiser. Since the US Navy and USMC were not interested, maybe the Army or Air Force has some people with money and brains.

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Ok Mr Hiddink, now go fry your brains in jello you retard

The way forward is to have a president with the commitment of kennedy.

However I do not believe for one moment the space program is standing still. Ive just got back from a trip to kennedy space ceter, saw up close various sections built from various nations for the ISS, and it is truly amazing.

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Interstellar Propulsion Possible

NASA wont return or even carry a first conversation because this technology threatens their agency.

Is this what we want of our national space research agency ?

How many good intentioned inventions have we NOT heard about or even considered by this EGO driven agency ?

Here's one.

http://nlspropulsion.net

Considering man's discovery of Earth like planet I think the urgency has accelerated.

Because this technology has national security issues for the USA in must be kept secret.

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At the present rate of world-wide population growth rate and the growing industrialization of China and the third world, we are definitely running into problems with the environment. But what if there were less people around to consume and more forest to handle the CO² emissions?

Be fruitful and multiply; and fill the earth (Gen 1:28) God commands Adam and Eve, which they made a good start of; but then something went terribly wrong. The world today is not in good stewardship, as God wanted from us. Our false God – Consumption – is driving us in a wholly different direction.
For a long time perspective on CO² reduction to work, we either need to reverse industrialization (not going to happen) or reduce consumption (also not going to happen) or take the variable out of the equation totally: People!

Have you ever thought about that, even for just one second? I’m not proclaiming genocide here – God forbid – no; I only want to tease a creative idea I think is worth having a closer look at.

Consumption is the root cause of CO² emissions and people is the root cause of consumption. It’s that simple. So how do we significantly reduce the world population?

Genocide is not an option, so we need to entice people to leave the planet, i.e. invest is space exploitation! Yes, exploitation. If people had an attractive alternative, they will always go there. So we have to create a new Klondike, a new gold rush where people will go to make their dreams come true. Today, that is over the border from Zimbabwe to South Africa, or from Africa to Europe, etc. Tomorrow – in a few years – that can be Space instead. Thus it has to be space exploitation and not just exploration; otherwise the masses won’t be enticed to go there. If there’s not a buck to make, then no one’s interested!

How do we make this happen? If the world’s governments are serious about CO² reduction and all of them put trading of emission certificates in place, we would have a source for financing the initial endeavors’ into space. This could be a source of funding for NASA and other national space programs but also for ESA and other international agencies, seeking to develop the technologies needed to make space travel and exploitation possible. Furthermore, there should be government funding and tax reductions made effective for any commercial developments that seems viable to this end.

But will not space travel be a burden to the environment? Yes, initially and today, this is true. We do not need to look far ahead though, to see new technologies made available to seriously reduce any impact on CO² emissions to this end. In Science Fiction, the possibilities of Plasma Engines and Space Elevators have been debated for years. In material research, we already have promising technologies today, which on a massive scale could support this very cause.

So where will people go? A few scenarios: Terra forming of Mars, commercial exploitation of the Moon and the Asteroids and even the Leisure Industry would create massive opportunities for people to get involved in. If I could go on hols’ to the Moon in 25 years, I’d save a while for the ticket (but only if Paris Hilton isn’t!). The pioneers of modern Space travel, like Sir Richard Branson shows the way. Given a massive support from a financial perspective and the opportunity to “play it for keeps” when it comes to the fruits of space exploitation, I think we should seriously think about this long-term perspective for saving out precious planet.

By Göran Askeljung

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Mr. Askeljung is a Guru in "GTD Methodology":http://www.immediate-effects.com/Training_BusiSim.aspx?language=eng, Director of "immediate effects":http://www.immediate-effects.com/AboutUs.aspx?language=eng and Board Member of "eBlizz, Inc. ":http://www.eblizz.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=101&Itemid=108 His private passion has always been Space Exploitation and Evangelism.

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To Reduce Program Costs
MODIFY THE SPACE SHUTTLES FOR A MANNED MISSION TO MARS
Before planned 2011 Retiring of the STS Fleet

Send 3 Shuttles to Mars
......by Michael J. Coppi, X711mjc@cs.com, 01/05/09

As a former Aerospace Engineer with the Space Transportation System, I envision that the U.S. can complete a manned Mars mission (landing/return) within ten years. Such could also be accomplished on a much lower budget (in relation to a 100% newly designed program), by using existing hardware (the 3 Space Shuttles as primary components [+ some new equipment]) and including backup systems to ensure mission success.

Here's an outline -- naturally there are details to work out, but this mission SHOULD BE viable [Orbiter Names are used arbitrarily].............

OUTLINE SYNOPSIS:

A. Discovery to Mars - Atmospheric Penetration, Landing, Return-to-Orbit Module

B. Atlantis to Mars Orbit - Docks with + Returns Excursion Crew to Earth

C. Endeavour Accompanies as Contingency Rescue - Backup of All Elements

OUTLINE SUMMARY

i). Launch into low earth orbit an unmanned vehicle carrying a spaceworthy 'CANister' [CAN] - supply of food/water/oxygen to support 3 astronauts during journey to Mars.

ii). Launch into low earth orbit an unmanned vehicle carrying a Booster Rocket Motor [BRM] for propulsion to Mars.

'CAN' and 'BRM' are 'parked' together, possibly [preferably] docked-with/tethered-to International Space Station [ISS]. See below [note c] for alternative to BRM.

1). Launch 'Discovery' from KSC pad 39A - in the cargo bay is an MEM [Mars Exit Module - designed to carry crew from Mars surface to Mars orbit upon completion of surface exploration].

MEM/Additional crew could also be pre-launched/picked-up at ISS.

2). Discovery picks up CAN/BRM/MEM/Crew as necessary. MEM must go in cargo bay, 'CAN' is attached via a hatch/airlock for access en-route [nominal length of trip to Mars = 9 months]. 'BRM' is 'strapped on' for boost to Mars + course corrections and insertion into Mars orbit.

Discovery makes a one-way trip to Mars (to be immediately followed by Atlantis for crew return - see below), where it will serve as lander (or introduction into Martian atmosphere of lander) - see further below.

3). Atlantis is launched. Minimal [2] crew. Payload [food/water/oxygen for crew of 2 to Mars + return of 5 astronauts] is pre-stowed in cargo bay and/or picked up in orbit like Discovery's 'CAN'. Also picks up a pre-launched 'BRM' [double capacity BRM = fuel to/from Mars].
Atlantis is the 'return from Mars' vehicle. Launched within days/weeks of Discovery from KSC pad 39B. Atlantis follows Discovery to Mars to receive MEM/crew upon return from Martian surface.

4). Discovery arrives/orbits Mars, jettisons CAN & BRM. Fires existing onboard OMS [Orbital Maneuvering System] pods and enters Martian atmosphere, positioned to land at smoothest possible locale.
Landing will be rough but upright and survivable. Perhaps oversized tires on retrofitted landing gear [perhaps even skis]. Early deployment of drag chute could possibly compensate for thin Martian atmosphere. See alternate landing scenario further below (MEM ejected as independent soft lander).

5). After 2-week [+/-] excursion, MEM launches directly from cargo bay, docks with Atlantis in Mars orbit (jettison after crew/sample transfer or stow in cargo bay). Utilize Atlantis' double-capacity CAN & BRM for return to Earth, de-orbit as usual, land at KSC or Edwards AFB.

6). Endeavour has been launched within a month of Discovery, and [with its own CAN/BRM/MEM + minimal crew] has followed Atlantis to serve as backup/rescue. (If unused, it can be possibly be fitted for a later Moon Sample Return Mission [MSRM]).

Why relegate retired Space Shuttles to eternity in a museum? The 3 Orbiters can be modified to serve as the backbone of a manned explorative journey of Mars - an STS Finale. Enterprise is already at the Smithsonian, the remainder of the fleet is spaceworthy, and that's exactly where the shuttles should spend their final days: IN SPACE.

by Michael J. Coppi, X711mjc@cs.com, 01/05/09

Notes:

a). Could be accomplished with two Shuttles [2 journey, 1 lands, 1 returns], or three [3rd as backup/rescue Mars Lander w/MEM]. Both [or all three] Orbiters coupled together in "train" configuration with powering Shuttle at rear would eliminate need for separate BRMs and Cans, plus consolidate interplanetary travel.

b). The biggest argument might be concern over Discovery's Mars landing in thin atmosphere and on uncleared ground. Prior reconnaissance can easily choose a relatively barren area with just small rocks. Possibly even "ski"-type landing gear (deployed with explosive charges) instead of wheels. Recall that landing is one-time only.
Alternately, landing crew transfers to MEM, MEM ejects from Discovery within Martian atmosphere, MEM parachutes and/or retrofires to independent soft landing, Discovery impacts unmaaned, acts as 'seeder' per addendum [further below].

c). Perhaps a Mini External Tank [MET] as 'payload' in cargo bay of Discovery upon launch from Earth. Removed from bay in earth orbit [replaced with pre-launched MEM] and attached to the Mars-bound Shuttle [similarly to ET]. Main engines would then be available [greater thrust, throttleable and re-fireable for corrections and orbit insertion]. 'MET' option would remain in Cargo Bay of Atlantis with direct feed line to Main Engines.

Copyright © 2009, Michael J. Coppi,
X711mjc@cs.com, 909-370-3723

From a concept originally proposed 3/15/2005 by Michael J. Coppi
163 W. La Sierra Dr.; Arcadia, CA 91007 626-447-9102

Q & A

I remain adament that this project is feasible and needs to be pursued. Concerns [such as below] are anticipated - the general answer being that any obstacles CAN be overcome. The main thing is that 70% of the equipment needed for a manned mission to Mars ALREADY EXISTS. The opportunity to utilize these resources [Shuttles + STS Launch Capability] should not be forsaken.

I urge promotion of an agenda that incorporates Space Shuttles as the primary component of a manned Mars program. I contend that such a paradigm shift is necessary to achieve this goal.

Addressing particlar queries --

Q:
>>>>>>>
Mass in LEO [Low Earth Orbit]... booster rocket motor component would have to be very large.... [plus extra] propellant to prevent boil-off. This is an Aries V-class payload.
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Entry speeds... entering the atmosphere from hyperbolic speeds... [shuttles' tiles] could not take the additional heat load.
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Shuttles landing on Mars... at 100,000 feet (the place where Earth's atmosphere is as thin as it is on Mars' surface), the shuttle is going much faster. Landing would be difficult, and deploying the drag chute would not help.
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Power... fuel cells... deployable solar power system... batteries.
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Timeline Cost/Manpower... space shuttle [operations] costs $3B/year... not be able to 'switch' to development
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A:
All the more reason to GO with this program NOW, and especially before the ops force dissipates and/or systems capability is modified [Orion] or lost completely [SRB construction, ET construction, etc.]. New engineering must be contracted.

- Mike Coppi, BSAE, Cal Poly Pomona, 1982
.......................
Addendum --

Seed Mars Now!

.........by Michael J. Coppi, X711mjc@cs.com, 01/05/09

We must begin now to prepare Mars for future colonization by Humans.

The 'search for life' program is now anticlimactic at best, moot at worst. It almost seems a waste to keep sending sterile launders. In fact the uncertainty that all landers have been 100% sterile puts in question the source of any "life" ever found. Remember too that meteorites from Earth may have already seeded Mars in the distant or recent past..

Future probes should be deliberately "contaminated" with any and all organisms that have the slightest chance of surviving and taking root in the Martian environment.

Life forms accustomed to Arctic/Antarctic locales are obvious prime choices.

The simplest method of delivery would be to shield the probe for entry into the Martian atmosphere, then allow it to crash to the surface.

More sophisticated soft landers could even provide nourishment and/or shelter for moss, grass, microbes, even insects.

There's certainly CO2 in the atmosphere to possibly support some hardy polar algae, moss or plant from Earth that can survive with just the moisture from ice that's been found just beneath the Martian surface. Eventually leading to simple grasses. More plants = O2 added to atmosphere for eventual animal life.

Terra-Forming efforts must start now!

by Michael J. Coppi, X711mjc@cs.com, 01/05/09
800 E. Washington St. #833
Colton, CA 92324
909-370-3723

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I hope Dr. Griffin will update his predictions contained this article, taking into consideration our national bankruptcy and other trends of the past three years. I wonder if Dr. Griffin will recommend that NASA apply for funding directly from the People's Bank of China, and if so, what collaterals can we put up? Wait, I think I know! Let's offer the Chinese our extremely expensive, practically useless, but nonetheless ultra cool (in a 1980s' sort of way) Space Shuttles!

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