Another answer to the A-10 v. Apache question:
Commenter bigfoot got it right: one reason that the Army doesn't have A-10s is that it isn't allowed to. The Army tested a few jets in the late 1950s and early 1960s (including the Northrop N-156F and the Hawker XV-6A, precursor to the Harrier) before realizing that the USAF was not going to let it have them. After that, the Army worked on armed helicopters and the USAF - having adopted the Navy's A-1 in Vietnam - started down the road that led to the A-10.
(Photo: Northrop N-156F (it wasn't called the F-5A then) on an Army evaluation in 1961.)
Today, almost anything can do Close Air Support (CAS). The keys to modern CAS are sensors, communications and weapons rather than the aircraft. For instance, the US Navy is using the F/A-18F as a forward air control - airborne (FAC-A) platform, exploiting its Raytheon ATFLIR targeting pod, helmet-mounted display and datalinks. In that role, the F/A-18 pilot can look at a potential target, automatically slew the ATFLIR on to it, lase the target and thereby determine its GPS coordinates. The airplane's computers can grab a still image of the target, together with its location, and that picture can be relayed to an air controller on the ground. The controller can then clear the fighters to attack (or yell "THAT'S US, YOU MORON!"). The FAC-A can pass the coordinates directly to any other aircraft that carries GPS-guided weapons.
Where the aircraft characteristics make a difference is in responsiveness and survivability. The helicopters travel with the ground troops - but recent experience shows that they are vulnerable to a lot of threats that fast jets can ignore. Fast jets, though, run out of fuel quickly, and it takes a lot of airplanes to maintain cover over the battlefield. That's where the A-10 shines, because the original idea (in 1970, when the requirement was written) was that the A-10s would loiter on "cab-rank" patrols behind the front line, surging forward to engage targets as required.
The A-10 also packs a formidable gun. Guns are back in favour for CAS, because of their precision and because of their low risk of collateral damage.
Taking the endurance theme even further, the Army has tried to sneak one past the USAF with the Sky Warrior UAV, which is nominally an intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance asset but will eventually carry up to eight Hellfire missiles. The USAF has detected this move and is trying to take the program over.
--Bill Sweetman


Let me add another criteria Cost. Cheap and effective is better than expensive and effective. I was happy to read that the Air Force is upgrading the A-10.
Upgraded A-10s will be ready for combat soon
http://www.aviationnow.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/UPGR041207.xml&headline=Upgraded%20A-10s%20will%20be%20ready%20for%20combat%20soon&channel=defense
maybe the air force is finally getting it
but this quote killed that illusion
The aircraft should be in flying operations until 2028, Ratti said. Its replacement is the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF). "We'll ramp down when the JSF comes in," Ratti said. "But, of course, that's a bit of a moving target."
Could a F-35 survive this type of damage ?
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Stories1/001-100/0016_A-10-battle-damage/story0016.htm
Posted by: Peter | April 12, 2007 at 03:21 PM
The most interesting byproduct of Key West is that it forced the Army to spend a massive amount of money on developing and procuring armed, protected helicopters. If the Army was to have it's own dedicated close air support aircraft, that was the direction it had to go. From the Army's point of view the Air Force was a separate service.
Key West also forced the Air Force to develop a dedicated CAS aircraft in the form of the A-10. Both services were forced into a "If we don't do it, nobody else will" position. The Army, banned from arming fixed wing, had no choice but to develop armed helicopters. The AF, saddled with the fixed-wing CAS role, solicited for and bought a really outstanding fixed-wing CAS aircraft.
Were it not for Key West, the Army might have split R&D and procurement funds for CAS between fixed wing and helicopters. Result? One could only speculate. The Air Force, looking at close air support as a part-time gig at best, might have been satisfied with procuring something along the lines of an A-4 or F-16 and thought, "Well, that's good enough." But they were the only game in town and the Army and Marines probably leaned on them heavily to built a dedicated CAS platform.
The question is: were it not for Key West, would the AH-64 and the A-10 ever have been built? More precisely: would anything as good as the AH-64 and A-10 have ever been built? Or would we have continued fielding kludges such as the armed UH-1 and the A-16?
Would we have a smaller Army ground forces if we were forced to maintain large fleets of both armed fixed wing and rotary aircraft? I'll bet we would.
Posted by: Bigfoot | April 16, 2007 at 02:14 PM
Under the theme cheaper is sometimes just as good high tech, let me link to these reports
From Global Flight.
US Air Force starts bidding for Iraqi counter-insurgency aircraft fleet.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/05/04/213671/us-air-force-starts-bidding-for-iraqi-counter-insurgency-aircraft.html
Then look at what our aircraft do in a typical day in Afghanistan.
May 5 air power summary
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123052182
The Iraqi airplanes are certainly a cost effective way too meet the requirements for aircraft during counterinsurgency operations.
Can the US learn from this?
Posted by: Peter | May 06, 2007 at 06:40 PM
i think there's a lot to be learned from cheaper systems, Peter, but no one's listening to me ;-)
Posted by: Sean Meade | May 06, 2007 at 07:05 PM
If you look at the equipment the US is buying for the Iraqi government it is no-nonsense equipment that will be needed to fight a insurgency. (That I know of the planes and MARP vehicles.)
This is assuming that we are serious about equipping the Iraqi military to deal with COIN operations, which I am not sure we are
Posted by: Peter | May 06, 2007 at 09:46 PM